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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2013, 08:52:26 PM »
Oh hey!

A race of humanoid beings that have taken on aspects of other lifeforms that have decomposed in their swamps.

As a German this puts Doppelgänger or Wiedergänger (which is even more fitting) into my mind.

I'm liking this idea a lot, if we go with a mutated word I think part of Wiedergaenger should definitely be used. Reading that also made the term Widdershins come to mind, which is described as such:

"The use of the word also means 'in a direction opposite to the usual', and in a direction contrary to the apparent course of the sun. It is cognate with the German language widersinnig, i.e., 'against' + 'sense'. The term 'widdershins' was especially common in Lowland Scots."

Taking the meaning more figuratively, going against the norm of something fits pretty well with the fear/hatred humans have of these "Abominations" so "Widdershins" or "Widersinnig" also has the potential to make a good name for this new species. Not only that, just bear with me for another minute, I'm gonna mix this into some potential DDrop lore in a sec:

"Witches were known to use Widdershins, the counterclockwise motion in casting stronger spells...

...Because the sun played a highly important role in older religions, to go against it was considered very bad luck for sun-venerating traditions."


This brings some interesting ideas to surface for me. The Witch was one of the potential classes shown in early concept art when the game was still in its "Bump RPG" form, and I know at least one person who was really hoping to see Witches in the game (You know who you are!). Perhaps Witches, or at least a certain unique group of witches, could be represented within this species?

Maybe they would look like more stereotypical scary witches, the kind with more villainous appearances; raggy clothing, big, hooked noses, unnatural green skin, long, stick-like arms and legs, maybe hunchbacks for good measure? Or maybe they could look perfectly normal, and were just cast out with the other creatures, deemed as "Abominations" by the humans because of their abnormal powers? I think we might have a decently interesting bit of lore for an exiled group going on here! I also really like the idea that counterclockwise movements were thought to allow them to cast stronger magicks. Maybe even a potential game mechanic?

One last, not so deeply thought out possibility would be the idea of going against the sun being very bad luck in older religions. Maybe this could somehow be connected to Radiant? I know it doesn't necessarily parallel to the sun, but maybe Witches or even Abominations in general are cursed by the potentially dark powers that brought them to life, and direct contact with Radiant enchanted materials and beings do them great harm? I'm trying to offer as much with this idea as I can, so please guys, add your own thoughts to this. So long as I'm not being too invasive to other aspects of the plot and existing lore of the game, (I really hope I'm not being that guy here D:) if this could help grow the lore of DDrop even further, it might make discovering more about the world just that little bit richer, which is excellent for everyone involved in my book.

So essentially, with "Wiedergaenger" and "Widdershins" we can add even more possibilities to the name list, maybe "Wiedershins" with "Widders" for short as a term used by humans? Again, any added ideas would be awesome to hear! I'm done for the night.
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2013, 09:00:43 PM »
P.S. If anybody gets the reference, the whole idea of Witches using Widdershins to make their spells more powerful reminds me a lot of Dahlia from Silent Hill 1, who references the divine art of Gyromancy! Gyromancy itself amounting to spinning yourself around the inside a circle drawn on the ground until you stumble or fall over onto one of the letters drawn around the circle's ring. Then, you would repeat the process until you died or went mad... Or something to that effect. I wonder if they always spun counter-clockwise? Witches have some weird practices I've gotta say. Maybe if we got Witch enemies they would constantly spin around counter-clockwise, hurling magic spells this way and that until they got dizzy and became open to attack. Makes me think of Whirling Dervishes a bit. XD

Whirling Dervishes (The video's owner prevents external embedding)

Imagine that, but a witch, and throwing spells at you.
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2013, 10:00:54 PM »
I really like Widdershins, it flows really well off the tongue. You could also perhaps go with Obake, a Japanese shape shifting yokai whose name means more or less "A thing that changes."
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2013, 05:59:31 AM »
So essentially, with "Wiedergaenger" and "Widdershins" we can add even more possibilities to the name list, maybe "Wiedershins" with "Widders" for short as a term used by humans? Again, any added ideas would be awesome to hear! I'm done for the night.

Wiedershine would mean something like "againsense" (wieder=again, wider =against; in german).

Widders would translate straight into rams (as in male sheep), which made me chuckle. :P (Although it could work because Widdershins is a term on it's own, independant of the german language.)

Good thinking on the idea the whitchcraft could stem from mutants. That's a bit like the Sorcerer from Pathfinder, which is explicitly stated to gain powers from a magical heritage. As nice idea with the mad spinners, Gyromancy, very unique and certainly fun to play against.
Just don't make the mistake to paint murk as "evil" and radiant as "good". As far as I got it Murk is the (nigh) unstoppable and Radiant the (nigh) invulnerable.

Also, you win the "Doomspeaker's Video of the Month"-award.


@Vas: Depending on wheter mutants are meant to seem exotic or not, japanese names would do a good job at expressing oddity. Japanese mythology in general has lot's of weird concepts you can pull off, because it's so very remote from us westeners.


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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2013, 06:08:48 AM »
Japanese mythology just has a lot of different ghost/goblin/monsters and a lot of broad categories for all of them to fit under. The Candle Wraiths could easily be a member of the Tsukumogami, inanimate objects that have gained life. A burabura, living lantern, would probably be closest. The Blazling also could easily be a Japanese Yokai known as a Hitodama or even better a Kechibi. Mind you these are just examples and not really...suggestions. Figured some Japanese names might be permissible considering the Assassin has some ninja hallmarks and the Shogun was at least drawn up.
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2013, 09:23:44 AM »
Japanes myths draw a lot from Shinto. There's a Kami (god of something) for practically everything.

We reached a good point, because so far we don't know the cultural space DDrop moves in. The Assassin could fit into a plenthora of non-japanese settings.

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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2013, 09:59:29 AM »
Lots of great stuff here :) I was going back through and looking some things up (and also reconsidering my previous posts), so here are my newest thoughts:

Gorgon is out. I still like it as a name, but too many people had / will have a reaction to its mythological origins.


Widder is in the mix. By the way, should that be pronounced with a "v" sound? like Vidder? I also like the idea of the Witches having some communication with the Mutants, or drawing powers in a similar way. The witches would use a lot of Muddle magic (debuffs and hp drains, etc) and some Murk abilities, which fits nicely with origins in the Spoil since Muddle is a mix of two opposing elements which confuse each other, and the Spoil is where the Ichor and Murk poisoning occurs, confusing life and death.


I'm also considering Nymph and Dryad.


I was thinking about Kelpie (suggested by Vasae, way back up the thread), and did a bit of reading. I was thinking they were only described as dripping horses, but apparently they can (in some writings) transform or appear as women. The animal/human transformation fits the idea of the mutants pretty well. The only downside is the breed of dog named Kelpie :/

In looking for more synonyms, I ran across the term Nixie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neck_(water_spirit)


The Neck/Nixie (German: Nix/Nixe/Nyx) are shapeshifting water spirits who usually appear in human form. The spirit has appeared in the myths and legends of all Germanic peoples in Europe.[1] Although in recent times such creatures have usually been depicted as human in shape (albeit in many cases shapeshifting), the English Knucker is generally depicted as a wyrm ordragon, thus attesting to the survival of the other usage as any "water-being" rather than an exclusively humanoid creature. Their sex, bynames, and various animal-like transformations vary geographically. The German Nix and his Scandinavian counterparts are males. The German Nixe or Nixie is a female river mermaid.[1]
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Nixes in folklore became water sprites[9] who try to lure people into the water. The males can assume many different shapes, including that of a human, fish, and snake. The females are beautiful women with the tail of a fish. When they are in human forms, they can be recognised by the wet hem of their clothes. The Nixes are portrayed as malicious in some stories but harmless and friendly in others.

By the 19th century Jacob Grimm mentions the Nixie to be among the "water-sprites" who love music, song and dancing, and says "Like the sirens, the Nixie by her song draws listening youth to herself, and then into the deep."[9] According to Grimm, they can appear human but have the barest hint of animal features: the nix had "a slit ear", and the Nixie "a wet skirt". Grimm thinks these could symbolise they are "higher beings" who could shapeshift to animal form.[10]


I like this a lot. What do you guys think?
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2013, 10:43:16 AM »
Viddernix.  :P



You go with the theme of "came out of the bog", so yeah Nix/Nixe/Nixie is definitely fitting.

The syllable "nix" sounds pretty catchy, doesn't matter too much what you put after that.

Do you plan on having them gender neutral or is physical strength more prevalent in males, with females being more apt at something like magic?

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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2013, 11:20:26 AM »
I hadn't really thought very far into their abilities — more their look, behavior, and culture. Probably a bit sexist of me, or maybe just based on the myths I'm drawing from, but I was thinking the females would be the sort of seductive sirens (succubus, mermaid, harpy, lamia) who can manipulate or control the minds of others through Muddle / telepathy. The male myth names (ogre, troll, satyr, boggart) are all a bit more ghastly or large and violent sounding, but they would also have some telepathy or weak telekinesis. They might also have some Surge magic and plant-like components (along with the bestial elements) or at least wear plant and wood matter.


I'm thinking of them as a kind of elf / fairy / shapeshifter race that has animal attributes, a relationship with plant and animal life, and can be both ugly or beautiful (or appear as both) like the fae. They are trapped between the worlds of life and oblivion (Radiant and Murk), between the Gods and the forces of the Murk. So they are in many ways a race apart, caught in between the realms and born from the unholy Spoil which is an abomination, but has also created something beautiful in their race.


Their shape-shifting abilities would be somewhat limited - for instance any given "type" of mutant like the Lamia could only appear in maybe 3-4 forms that are all somewhat related:


1) human with a snake tail instead of legs
2) beautiful human with normal legs but with a few snakey features
3) ugly humanoid with much more snakey features (gorgon-like)
4) a smaller more bestial snake-like form.


So they don't do the werewolf thing where they are 100% human then 100% wolf... they are a constant mix of the two types of creature to greater and lesser degrees.

P.S. They will probably only appear as NPCs in DDrop, but I will see if I can work some in as enemies. Gah, scheduling! Bah humbug, budget!



P.P.S. By the way, Surge (elemental) now encompasses plants, precipitation, and the water cycle / life cycle in general.

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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2013, 11:38:32 AM »
P.P.S. By the way, Surge (elemental) now encompasses plants, precipitation, and the water cycle / life cycle in general.




I honestly read it all, but this is the only thing that would come to mind.

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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2013, 11:51:24 AM »
Widder is in the mix. By the way, should that be pronounced with a "v" sound? like Vidder?

For Widdershins, it's fine to pronounce it with a "W" sound, if you use the German version of the word though, "Wiedersinnig" it would be a "V" sound. I don't know though, Vidder is kinda catchy, so either which way I think you're in the clear. :P

Really digging the info you posted about using Nix as a potential name, I'm all for it. :) I also second Doom's "Viddernix" name idea! Very catchy, nice and succinct, everything you'd want out of a name for a fantasy species!
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2013, 12:15:52 PM »
*snip*

Not sexist at all (but let's not open up that can, nothing good every came from that on game forums). Many animals have distinctive differences per gender. Those in turn influence their behavior (for sentinent species this also culture).

By now I guess Ichor is the blood of a "good" and murk the blood of a "bad" deity.

Would have left you off the hook if you hadn't mentioned MUTANTS, but since you got into detail, you're doomed to present at least one as an enemy!

I like your definition of elements because it's more like domains being grouped under one name.

I also second Doom's "Viddernix" name idea! Very catchy, nice and succinct, everything you'd want out of a name for a fantasy species!

The was more of a joke because Viddernix sounds like the german phrase "Wieder nichts" (nothing again). Of course it works as a nice name as well...

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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2013, 04:29:33 PM »
Just reposting from the Art Stream, I mentioned Bogsprite as a possible name for these beasties since BogBlood was also rolled out.

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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2013, 08:13:01 PM »
I also second Doom's "Viddernix" name idea! Very catchy, nice and succinct, everything you'd want out of a name for a fantasy species!

The was more of a joke because Viddernix sounds like the german phrase "Wieder nichts" (nothing again). Of course it works as a nice name as well...

Yeah, I got the literal meaning, I've taken a few years of German myself so I can catch at least a good handful of terms off the top of my head. :P I feel it could be read relatively comfortably as its own term by most, maybe like the Nix-Hounds from Morrowind; I don't think the meaning behind their name was literally "Nothing Hounds" though I could certainly be wrong. :P

Anyways, wish I could catch all those livestreams; I love all the discussions that crop up on em, it's just that I've got a Life Drawing class that runs from 2 until 5 immediately followed by dinner, so my day's pretty clogged up in the early afternoon on Wednesdays. :(
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2013, 05:47:16 PM »
I mentioned this during the art stream as well, when you were talking about the Bag of Bones progression and were discussing the final form. Suggested Cavalcade of Cadavers.

 

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